Verizon and AT&T took different actions on DOJ subpoenas for lawmakers’ phone records
FIRST ON FOX: Two major phone carriers took sharply different paths when former special counsel Jack Smith’s team subpoenaed phone records tied to Republican lawmakers in 2023, according to the redacted subpoenas and letters first shared with Fox News Digital.
The documents, provided by the office of Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, reveal Verizon’s compliance and AT&T’s resistance when faced with Smith’s requests, which were part of Arctic Frost, the FBI probe that led to Smith bringing election charges against President Donald Trump.
The 12 phone numbers on the subpoena to Verizon are redacted and replaced by Grassley’s office with the names of the lawmakers associated with them. They include one House member and 10 senators, including Sen. Rick Scott, R-Fl., whose name was not previously reported.
AT&T received a similar request, according to a second subpoena. The company told Grassley the subpoenaed phone records were associated with two lawmakers, including Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, according to a source directly familiar with the matter. The source said AT&T declined to disclose the second person.
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Accompanying the two subpoenas were gag orders, signed by U.S. District Judge James Boasberg of Washington, D.C., that directed the two phone companies not to disclose the subpoenas to the lawmakers for one year. Prosecutors can seek such gag orders to temporarily keep investigative matters confidential.
The phone companies also wrote letters to Grassley, first shared with Fox News Digital, explaining how they handled the subpoenas they received, revealing two different approaches.
Verizon justified complying with the subpoenas, saying they were “facially valid” and contained only phone numbers, not names. Verizon said that with the “benefit of hindsight” and recent discussions with the Senate Sergeant at Arms, which handles congressional phone services, it has modified its policies so that it puts up more of a challenge to law enforcement requests pertaining to Congress members.
AT&T, meanwhile, did not comply with the subpoenas.
“When AT&T raised questions with Special Counsel Smith’s office concerning the legal basis for seeking records of members of Congress, the Special Counsel did not pursue the subpoena further, and no records were produced,” David Chorzempa, general counsel for AT&T, wrote.
The release of copies of the subpoenas and new details from phone companies comes after Grassley published earlier this month a one-page FBI document that said eight senators and one House lawmaker had their phone data subpoenaed. They included Republican Sens. Marsha Blackburn, Josh Hawley, Lindsey Graham, Bill Hagerty, Dan Sullivan, Tommy Tuberville, Ron Johnson and Cynthia Lummis.
Cruz later revealed that he was in the mix, and Scott announced on Thursday that he too was a target.
Grassley said in a press conference Wednesday that Smith’s subpoena to Verizon included Cruz’s office’s landline. In Verizon’s letter to Grassley, it noted that there were no records to give Smith pertaining to the landline request.
The two subpoenas to Verizon and AT&T sought toll records for a four-day period surrounding the Jan. 6 Capitol riot. They did not include the contents of phone calls or messages, which would require a warrant, but they did include “[call] detail records for inbound and outbound calls, text messages, direct connect, and voicemail messages” and phone number subscriber and payment information.
News of the subpoenas sparked outcry from the senators, who claimed Smith improperly spied on them and that Arctic Frost was “worse” than the Watergate scandal. The lawmakers have raised numerous constitutional concerns, including claims that the subpoenas violated the speech and debate clause, which gives lawmakers an added layer of immunity from investigations.
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Smith, in response, said in a letter through his lawyers that he mentioned subpoenaing senators’ phone records in his public, final special counsel report and that the subpoenas were narrowly tailored to the four-day period and “entirely proper.”
Smith has asked House and Senate lawmakers to allow him to testify before them in a public hearing to speak about his special counsel work. House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, however, wants to question Smith behind closed doors and Grassley has said he needs more information before he hosts Smith in a public setting.
The DOJ has issued subpoenas for lawmakers’ information in the past, but former inspector general Michael Horowitz cautioned against it except in limited circumstances in a report published last year, saying that doing so “risks chilling Congress’s ability to conduct oversight of the executive branch.”
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Horowitz’s warning came in response to the first Trump administration subpoenaing phone records of Rep. Eric Swalwell, D-Calif., and then-Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., and dozens of congressional staffers from both parties as part of an investigation into classified information being leaked to the media.
Despite enjoying additional constitutional protections, members of Congress can still be investigated and prosecuted. Former Democratic Sen. Bob Menendez’s phone records were seized while he was serving in office. Menendez is now serving in prison after being found guilty by a jury last year of corruption charges.
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Father-to-be wakes from coma, makes damning statement to police before dying
A 22-year-old man died earlier this month from injuries sustained in a car crash — but not before waking from a coma and telling police his girlfriend intended to cause the wreck.
Daniel Waterman was a passenger in the car that his girlfriend, Leigha Mumby, 24, was driving along an interstate in Flagler County, Florida, during Super Bowl weekend in February. He suffered critical injuries and died from those injuries on Oct. 8, FOX35 Orlando reported.
Waterman’s mother told Syracuse.com that he was in a coma for a time before waking and recovering enough to tell investigators what happened before the crash.
Troopers said Waterman spoke to them from his hospital bed, where he claimed that Mumby intentionally caused the crash after she allegedly said, “I don’t care what happens. You’ll get what you deserve.”
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Waterman’s grandfather, Michael Gilman, told CNYCentral.com that Waterman broke his neck, his back, his collarbone in three places, dislocated both hips, broke his leg and his ankle.
“He broke everything,” he said. “It wasn’t much, not broken. He was scratched up all over the place.”
Mumby was initially arrested in July and charged with reckless driving causing serious bodily injury and aggravated battery with a deadly weapon. Mumby had pleaded not guilty to the charges.
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Prosecutors upgraded Mumby’s earlier charges to vehicular homicide earlier this week following Waterman’s death. She was booked into the Flagler County Jail and released after posting a $150,000 bond.
“This was not an accident,” John Hager, an attorney for the Waterman family, told FOX35. “Evidence showed she didn’t use the brakes — the car was speeding up at the time of impact.”
Hager also confirmed that Mumby was pregnant with Waterman’s child at the time of the crash and has since given birth.
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A GoFundMe set up for Waterman said that he was excited about becoming a father.
“Daniel was an excited, soon-to-be father of a baby girl,” it said. “He wanted nothing more than to come home to her and to the family who loved him so dearly. There was not a day that went by that he didn’t express that he just wanted to come home.”
Dems misused over $1B on illegal immigrant healthcare, and Trump admin wants it back
FIRST ON FOX: The Trump administration is planning to claw back over $1 billion in federal Medicaid dollars it says are being spent by blue states on healthcare for illegal immigrants, including some with violent criminal records for murder and rape.
A preliminary audit by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services found that, over the last few years, mostly during 2024 and 2025, California; Washington, D.C.; Illinois; Washington; Colorado; and Oregon improperly spent a combined $1,351,204,127 in federal Medicaid funds to help pay for healthcare for illegal immigrants.
While federal Medicaid dollars are supposed to be prohibited broadly from being used to cover healthcare for illegal immigrants, they can be used by states for emergency treatment regardless of a patient’s citizenship or immigration status.
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States can also legally cover health insurance for illegal immigrants as long as it is only done with state tax dollars. But, according to some experts, Democrats are utilizing loopholes in the federal laws that allow them to provide comprehensive health benefits to illegal immigrants.
“Protecting Medicaid from waste, fraud and abuse isn’t optional. It’s the law. Every dollar misspent on illegal healthcare spending is a dollar taken from vulnerable Americans,” CMS spokesperson Emily Hilliard told Fox News Digital.
“Federal law forbids using Medicaid funds for illegal immigrants, yet several Democrat-led states did it anyway. The Trump administration won’t tolerate it. CMS is auditing aggressively, recovering every dollar and holding states accountable.”
California was far and away the biggest culprit, spending over $1 billion in federal Medicaid dollars on healthcare for illegal immigrants, according to CMS. The next largest violator was Illinois, which CMS said has improperly spent nearly $30 million, followed by Oregon, which the audit found improperly spent approximately $5.5 million.
California Gov. Gavin Newsom’s office has denied claims his state is improperly using federal funds to pay for illegal immigrant healthcare, telling the Los Angeles Times claims from Republicans are “false.”
But Steve Hilton, a former Fox News anchor and current Republican candidate running to be the next governor of California with Newsom term limited, has argued that California has been using a complex Medicaid provision known as a “provider tax” to obtain matching federal dollars, which then gets pooled into the money used by the state to pay for its healthcare offered to undocumented immigrants.
Chris Pope, a public health policy expert at the Manhattan Institute, has argued California is abusing federal provisions that allow states to use federal Medicaid dollars for emergency care for undocumented aliens.
Fox News Digital reached out to Newsom’s office for comment on this story but did not receive a response.
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“Medicaid is by far the largest source of federal funding for states. It was originally intended to only provide aid for eligible beneficiaries, but, over time, states have figured out how to game the system, padding permitted expenses and diverting the profits to fund activities which are supposedly prohibited,” said Pope.
“Any claim that state healthcare expenditures don’t ultimately involve some form of federal funds should be regarded with suspicion.”
Jim O’Neill, the current acting director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and a deputy secretary at the Health and Human Services Department, has also been highlighting that among the federal funds that are improperly going to illegal immigrants, some are even going to illegal immigrants with violent criminal pasts. O’Neill has been posting a daily “MorningMedicaidMugshot” with examples over the last several days.
On Oct. 29, O’Neill highlighted Layth Kamil, a 24-year-old illegal alien from Iraq convicted of exposing himself to a 15-year-old, who, according to O’Neill, has received close to $16,000 in taxpayer-funded healthcare through Medicaid. The day before, O’Neill highlighted the story of Haissam Massalkhy, a 45-year-old illegal alien from Lebanon convicted after driving under the influence and killing an American citizen who was out jogging. Massalkhy has received over $30,000, according to O’Neill.
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Other illegal aliens O’Neill highlighted included people convicted of attempted murder and child rape.
“Democrats are demanding continued funding of this violent illegal alien’s Medicaid as a condition for reopening the government and paying the hardworking public servants at my department,” O’Neill lamented in one of his recent “MorningMedicaidMugshot” posts.
Kids visit the White House as the Trumps join in Halloween candy tradition
President Donald Trump and First Lady Melania Trump got into the Halloween spirit on Thursday at the White House.
The return of the annual Halloween celebration took place on the South Lawn, with thousands of trick-or-treaters of all ages.
According to a White House press release, children and their parents were invited to enjoy various trick-or-treat booths and autumnal decorations on the South Portico. This included falling leaves and a variety of jack-o’-lanterns.
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For part of the event, the president and first lady handed out commemorative candies on the South Drive.
The United States Air Force Strolling Strings played traditional Halloween songs and “modern tunes” while candy was passed out, the release stated.
A “BE BEST” postcard station, the First Lady’s signature campaign slogan, was facilitated by the U.S. Postal Service, which also provided toy mail trucks.
The U.S. Department of Agriculture provided a “giant pumpkin” photo opportunity and handed out mini pumpkins from American farmers.
The sweet treats were provided by the National Confectioners Association, while the International Fresh Produce Association supplied Washington State and New York State apples.
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The event also featured participation and treats by America 250, the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, the National Park Service, the U.S. Mint, the U.S. Secret Service, the White House Historical Association, and the Center of Science and Industry, according to the White House.
The Office of the First Lady posted a photo of the White House’s spooky decorations on X, writing, “The @whitehouse is getting ready for Halloween.”
The account also posted a flashback with some photos of Halloween moments during Trump’s first term.
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The White House hosts a variety of annual holiday traditions in addition to Halloween, including the historic White House Easter Egg Roll and the National Christmas Tree Lighting.
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The nation also anticipates the first lady’s return to decorating the White House for the holidays, a dazzling tradition that decks the halls with trees, garland, ornaments, lights and other American-sourced materials to reflect an overall theme.
Rhode Island school district to charge parent $117K for teacher’s emails and curriculum
A Rhode Island school district said it will charge a mother $117,132 to review the curriculum and emails of a teacher who called Charlie Kirk “a piece of garbage” shortly after the conservative activist was assassinated Sept. 10.
In a September letter to Nicole Solas, a law firm representing Barrington Public Schools said her public records request for social studies teacher Benjamin Fillo’s teaching materials and emails would total $117,132
In her public records request, Solas asked for any emails Fillo sent from his school email address from Sept. 1, 2024, to the present containing the word, “Trump,” which turned out to be 789 emails, as well as email correspondence from Fillo since Jan. 1, 2016, containing the word ‘Trump.’”
Solas is a mom living in a different school district whose kids are in a private school because the National Education Association Rhode Island (NEARI) sued her for sending public records requests about political indoctrination four years ago. She also requested Fillo’s education materials, including handouts, assignments, videos, links, resources, guides, worksheets, workbooks and prompts.
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Shortly after Kirk’s public assassination Sept. 10 while speaking at Utah Valley University during his American Comeback Tour, Fillo posted a video online saying that Kirk “hated the LGBTQ community” and “hated women’s rights.”
Fillo, who was placed on administrative leave after his video post, also said in the video that Kirk “thought he proved how tough he was with his words. … What a piece of garbage. Look what happens. … Bye, Charlie!”
In its letter, the law firm, Henneous Carroll Lombardo LLC, told Solas gathering the emails that contained the word “Trump” would cost $380, the curriculum cost would be $116,033 and the the request for Fillo’s email correspondence since Jan. 1, 2016, containing the word “Trump” would be $719, for a grand total of $117,132.
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“This estimate that we received is exorbitant, completely unreasonable, just to get the curriculum materials,” Solas told Fox News Digital in an interview Thursday.
“And the Goldwater Institute and my attorney, James McGlone, have sent a letter to the school district demanding that they lower the fee. Quite frankly, it should be zero because these are curriculum materials that the taxpayer has already paid for.”
Solas said reviewing Fillo’s curriculum materials is necessary because it is “the only way that you can see what kids are in public school, and if you can’t get them because you are stonewalled deliberately with an unreasonable fee, then, you know, we don’t have open government.
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“I just don’t see how this can stand if we file a lawsuit on it,” Solas added. “So, I hope the school district makes the right decision and releases the materials for free.”
In a statement to Fox News Digital, Morgan Hollenbrook, a mom whose kids used to be in Barrington Public Schools, told Fox News Digital, “Mr. Fillo’s social media tirade was shocking to watch, and it’s concerning that BPS has attached such an exorbitant price tag to a public records request. Taxpayers have a right to this information that should be readily available, and the actions of BPS lead one to believe that there’s something to hide.”
Heather Ryan, who has a ninth grader at Barrington High School, told Fox News Digital in a statement, “As a Parent and Turning Point USA Action RI member, my family and I find it disturbing that a man is permitted to politically indoctrinate children and celebrate political assassinations of people that he disagrees with. No Christian family of any partisan ideology should feel comfortable with Ben Fillo teaching their child behind closed doors.”
Kiela Daley, a mom of five kids with three in Barrington schools, told Fox News Digital, “Transparency in the classroom is essential for maintaining trust between educators and families. Our district’s curriculum is broad online. It does not reveal the specific materials used, for example, readings, videos, slides, etc., that shape our children’s minds. Parents have the right to see what is being taught without having to pay an astronomical fee to disclose that information.”
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Daley added, “Teachers have a powerful influence on students, and it is their responsibility to promote independent thought, not any particular ideology. Do we need to ask for training and oversight to ensure viewpoint-neutral instruction so that students are not belittled for their beliefs ? No student should feel emotionally threatened for his heartfelt beliefs, should they clash with the teacher’s viewpoint and narrative.”
Fox News Digital reached out to Fillo and Christopher Ashley, acting superintendent at Barrington Public Schools, for comment.
Dem lawmaker accused of secretly filming two critics in bed to try to silence them
A Democratic state senator from Maryland is accused of orchestrating a scheme to secretly record two critics — including a former campaign consultant — in bed together and then using the footage to threaten and silence them, according to a newly unsealed federal indictment.
Federal prosecutors say Maryland State Sen. Dalya Attar, her brother Joseph “Yossi” Attar and Baltimore Police Officer Kalman Finkelstein secretly filmed the pair during an intimate encounter, then used the recording to intimidate them into silence.
The 20-page indictment, unsealed Thursday, charges the trio with conspiracy, extortion, illegal wiretapping and violations of the Travel Act.
Prosecutors allege the group targeted the consultant, identified as Victim 1, who had worked for Attar’s 2018 campaign and later supported her political rivals. Victim 2 was in a romantic relationship with Victim 1 and was married to another person at the time, the documents say.
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According to the indictment, the defendants placed hidden cameras disguised as smoke detectors and a tracking device in the victims’ apartment, later reviewing footage that showed the pair in bed together.
Prosecutors say the recording was then used to threaten exposure if either victim spoke publicly against Attar or supported her opponents.
By early 2021, Attar allegedly discussed how to stop potential criticism, saying in a WhatsApp message, “We have a very easy … simple way to get her to just shut up and leave us alone. … She’s worried about her kids’ shidduchim.”
She allegedly added, “I’m not saying we leak this anywhere or ever do that … but I’m saying we warn her … ‘If you go ahead and screw with me, we’re going to leak it.’”
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In December 2021, Joseph Attar allegedly met with one of the victims at a Baltimore shopping center and warned, “I have hours of footage of you in bed with [Victim 1] … Go to [Victim 1] and say leave Dalya alone … or I’ll share this video with everyone you know — every Rabbi in town, your kids, your wife, her daughters.”
Prosecutors say the threats continued into 2022 as the defendants allegedly worked to ensure both victims remained silent before Attar’s re-election campaign. The indictment also says the three coordinated through encrypted WhatsApp messages, which they regularly deleted to avoid detection.
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The charges carry potential penalties of several decades in prison. Attar’s office did not respond to Fox News Digital’s request for comment.
Baltimore Police Commissioner Richard Worley told FOX 45 that Finkelstein has been on administrative duty since 2022 and no longer holds police powers.
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Attar, a Democrat and former Baltimore prosecutor, was elected to the Maryland House of Delegates in 2018 and appointed to the state Senate in January 2025.
She had been considered a rising figure in Maryland’s Orthodox Jewish community.
Bessent tells Warren, Klobuchar to stop sending him ‘incoherent letters’
Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent escalated his feud with Senate Democrats Wednesday night, blasting Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., and Sen. Amy Klobuchar, D-Minn., as “failures” who should “stop writing incoherent letters” to him and instead focus on reopening the government.
In a blistering statement referencing President Donald Trump’s trip to Asia and Argentina’s economic turnaround, Bessent accused the senators of opposing “economic freedom” abroad and harming American farmers at home.
“@SenWarren and @SenAmyKlobuchar: you are failures,” Bessent wrote in a post to X. “You failed to derail the electoral success of one of our great allies in Latin America, President @JMilei. He won in a landslide with the poorest members of society voting for economic freedom—a notion anathema in particular to the Senate’s resident American Peronist, Senator Warren.”
“You failed to reopen the government, preventing our Administration’s efforts to get aid to American farmers, as well as our planned activation of the Farm Credit Agency to assist our farmers with next year’s crops,” Bessent added.
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“Today’s announcement after his meeting with President Xi will be a resounding victory for our great farmers,” he continued. “While I know it will be soul-crushing for you, please re-focus your staff away from writing incoherent letters to myself and others, and instead work towards opening the government. If you decide to further add to your legacy of failure by voting to keep the government closed over the upcoming Thanksgiving holiday, ruining the number one travel day for American families, you should both be ashamed.”
Bessent’s comments came after a group of lawmakers sent him a letter Monday accusing him of prioritizing foreign governments over U.S. farmers, as the administration weighs financial relief measures and China planned to cut back on soybean imports amid tense tariff negotiations.
The secretary told FOX Business’ Maria Bartiromo on Thursday China agreed to purchase 12 million metric tons of soybeans “during this season,” which he indicated would be before January, and said he expects the country to purchase at least 25 million metric tons of soybeans each year during the next three years.
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Bessent shared a photo of Trump speaking at the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEX) summit in South Korea, noting “as the attached photo demonstrates, @POTUS is in Asia showing what successful American leadership looks like.”
He estimated the president’s trip to Asia may yield $2 trillion worth of investments into the U.S.
The treasury secretary ended the post with a fiery postscript, bashing the Biden administration’s “autopenned efforts to bankrupt the US government.”
“P.S. I am happy to inform you both that the Argentine economic bridge has now turned a profit for the American people,” Bessent wrote. “While ‘profit’ is a private sector word that you may both be unfamiliar with, I would urge you to look past your previous experience working alongside the Biden Administration’s autopenned efforts to bankrupt the US government.”
Klobuchar responded to Bessent’s comments on X, saying at first she thought, “wow, this must be a fake account given your really important job and all. But no, it’s really you. DOUBLE WOW!”
“Since you and I have had no public or private personal “BEEFS” (Argentinian or otherwise), maybe it is just your jet lag from all the overseas travel,” Klobuchar wrote. “The super serious and fact-based letter I sent you on October 23 as Ranking Member of the Agriculture Committee with over a dozen members of the Senate simply asked if you would reconsider the tariff policies and foreign bailout: And while your announcement today reversing just part of your own administration’s bad policies is always helpful, there is just so much left to undo before these across-the-board tariffs upend the economy in rural America forever, not to mention becoming a huge burden in the form of the tariff tax on all Americans.”
She invited the treasury secretary to discuss tariffs over “some 40% more expensive coffee,” adding her own postscript with a dig at the president.
“P.S. thanks for sending that glam pic of the President in Asia,” Klobuchar wrote. “Here’s one of the House of Representatives this week. Love it if they came back to meet with us and your boss to do something about health insurance premiums and end the shut down.”
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In early October, Bessent moved to bolster Argentina’s economy, announcing U.S. participation in a currency swap with its central bank to help stabilize the peso.
He said the U.S. was “prepared, immediately, to take whatever exceptional measures are warranted to provide stability to markets” and later floated the possibility of up to $20 billion in new financing through a blend of public and private funds.
Warren’s office did not immediately respond to Fox Business’ request for comment.
‘That s— is f—ed’: Fired TV producer goes viral after accusing CBS of racism
A former CBS News producer is accusing the network of race-based layoffs after its parent company, Paramount, made widespread cuts.
“I just got laid off from my job at CBS, and every producer on my team who got laid off is a person of color,” ex-CBS News staffer Trey Sherman began a TikTok video Wednesday. “Every person who gets to stay and will be relocated within the company is a White person.”
Sherman, who is Black, served as an associate producer for the CBS streaming program “CBS Evening News+” since February, according to his LinkedIn page, and also worked as an associate producer for the CBS Race & Culture Unit, both of which were gutted as part of the layoffs.
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Sherman claimed the “executive” who informed him he was being laid off said he did everything he could to relocate staff but ultimately couldn’t.
“It wasn’t until I went downstairs thinking that me and all of my colleagues had been laid off that I found out that it was only the people of color,” Sherman said. “So, I went one by one to my White colleagues. ‘Are you getting laid off?’ ‘No.’ ‘Are you getting laid off?’ ‘No.’ ‘Are you getting laid off?’ ‘No.’ ‘Are you getting laid off? No.’
“So, I went back up to his office, and I told him I think he lied to my face,” Sherman continued. “And come to find out it was not his decision to eliminate the show that I worked for, but he did get to decide who got to stay. … So I told him, ‘You said that you couldn’t get us relocated, only to find out that you were able to get some people relocated, and they all happen to be White. Am I supposed to believe that that’s a coincidence?’ And he said yes.”
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The unnamed executive went on to tell Sherman that he had kept on staffers that he had “worked with before,” blasting him for not making decisions based on merit and called it “racist.”
“I don’t care if you decided to keep people who have purple color hair. You decided to keep people who you had worked with before with — don’t even know if that’s true — if the outcome of that decision is racist, the action was racist. That s— is f—ed,” Sherman said.
Neither Sherman, CBS News nor Paramount responded to requests for comment.
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Paramount, now under new leadership with CEO David Ellison following the Skydance Media merger, cut “approximately” 1,000 jobs across the company, according to sources familiar with the situation.
Many CBS staffers involved in its weekend and livestream programming were heavily affected. It was expected for weeks that Ellison would lay off employees, and it was reported that the personnel decisions were made before Ellison tapped Bari Weiss as CBS News’ editor-in-chief earlier this month as part of Paramount’s $150 million acquisition of her outlet The Free Press.
“CBS Evening News” co-anchor John Dickerson also announced this week he will be exiting the network at the end of the year.
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Country star Miranda Lambert reveals gun hobby that stunned Joe Rogan: ‘Addicted’
Miranda Lambert is embracing her inner cowgirl.
In a recent interview on the “Joe Rogan Experience” podcast, the 41-year-old country artist opened up about her country lifestyle and her new hobby.
She told host Joe Rogan she recently picked up mounted shooting, further explaining, “I just started last year. I’m not good at all, but I love it.” She went on to explain that her friend, Ken Shane, a 10-time world champion mounted shooter, introduced her to the sport.
“I just never had the guts to go do it, you know? And finally my husband was like, ‘Stop talking about it, and go out there and do it. Go out there and shoot with her. You’re gonna love it,'” she said. “Wow. And I got addicted immediately. It’s just like something different.”
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According to the Cowboy Mounted Shooting Association, it’s a “fast action timed event using two .45 caliber single action revolvers each loaded with five rounds of specially prepared blank ammunition.” Competitors are scored based on time and accuracy with points being taken off for dropping the gun, missing a balloon and other factors.
Rogan appeared surprised by Lambert’s new pastime, calling it “very Wild West” and joking that practicing for the sport is “essentially training how to fight with a gun on a horse.”
“It’s super fun. And it’s like, you know, just something that like started a new hobby at 40,” Lambert said. “Like, it’s just try to like preoccupy my mind and, and I don’t know, I think it inspires me to, like, take a break from thinking about what I think about every single day, which is music industry, you know? So, just like trying new things and saying, ‘What the hell, let’s go for it.'”
Later on in the interview, the “Tin Man” singer spoke about her husband, Brendan McLoughlin, a retired NYPD officer, who she married in 2019. Lambert joked that after spending some time in New York City after first getting married, “I drug him down to Tennessee and now Texas. And now he says y’all.”
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Having grown up in Lindale, Texas, Lambert said her upbringing wasn’t much different from McLoughlin’s in Staten Island, New York.
“I mean, his whole family is police officers,” she said. “My whole family is firemen and police officers too, so I can’t. I think that was kind of our bond anyway. It’s just kind of, we grew up exactly the same. Yeah. Just in different parts of the country.”
The couple now splits their time between Nashville and Texas.
Lambert mentioned that her father is also a retired police officer and was able to draw comparisons between her dad and her husband. She explained her dad and her husband have trouble hearing because they were in proximity to guns, noting “so many of my friends who shoot guns, too, same thing.”
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“My dad was a police officer, and he’s, I swear that’s why my parents are still married, because he can’t hear at all. And the dog ate his hearing aid, and he never replaced it. And I’m like, ‘Is that on purpose, dad?’” she said.
“But my husband will like, I’ll say it and I’ll be like, ‘Say it back to me.’ And, like, and I found that when I do that, it’s worse because I’m, like, I’m like, ‘Say what I said back to you, get bananas at the store.’ So, he comes home, I’m like, ‘Where’s bananas?’ ‘I didn’t get any.’ So don’t repeat it. Just hold it in there.”
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